A Word About Site Takedown Vendors

I just talked with a client who had been using an unnamed “take down service provider” for some time now. These vendors specialize in removing sites used in phishing attacks and drive-by-download attacks from the Internet. Many claim to have elite connections at various hosting providers that they can call upon to quickly remove sites from production.

Using a take down vendor is basically a bet on outsourcing. You are betting your payment to them that they can get a site taken down with less time, damage and effort than you could if you were doing it yourself and that working with them will reduce your time requirements in periods of incident response, when cycles are at a premium. In the real world, however, many times these bets may not pay off as well as you might think…

For example, take down companies that really have a lot of clients, may have a number of cases and sites that they are working at any given time. If they don’t sufficiently staff their teams at all times, there may be long delays caused by resource constraints on their side. Getting them “into action” is also a complaint about more than a few of these vendors in various infosec forums. Often, their customers claim that getting the information needed by the take down vendor to get them to investigate and act is basically about the same amount of hassle as working with registrars and hosting providers to get sites taken down.

Of course, not all take down vendors are difficult. There are a few of them out there who get glowing reviews by their customers, but a little quick Internet research showed there were a lot more that got bad reviews than good. In addition, the old adage of “you get what you pay for” seemed to apply to the quick checks we did. Many of the lower cost vendors did not have very good commentary about them and the bad references seemed to diminish as you went up the pay scale.

Another tip from a client of ours was to beware the take down vendors that want a retainer or monthly fee. You may only need their services a few times a year and you are likely to save money using a per-occurrence approach over the long run. Additionally, the monthly service fee vendors also appear to be some of the most commonly complained about – likely because they may have a tendency to oversell and under staff in the ebb-and-flow world of incident response.

The bottom line is that take down vendors may be of use to you or they may not be. Identifying your needs and internal capabilities are good places to start. If you do choose to partner with a take down vendor, make sure you do your research and that includes customer references, Internet searches and pricing comparisons. You can probably find a couple of vendors to fit your needs and your budget. It would probably not hurt to give their response line a call before the purchase as well and see just what level of service you can expect.

BTW – my original client that started this discussion found that simply opening a call and trouble ticket with the ISP was enough to get them to accept incoming take down requests with lists of sites in near real time via email or fax. The couple of folks I talked to who have been through this said that many of the largest ISPs and hosting providers have gotten a lot easier to work with and more responsive in the last couple of years. They suggested that if the attacks seem to revolve around large, common providers – you might want to take an initial stab at talking with them and if they seem to be responsive and engaged – save your incident response budget and work directly with the providers. Save your take down dollars for those obscure, hard to reach or unresponsive providers.

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About Brent Huston

I am the CEO of MicroSolved, Inc. and a security evangelist. I have spent the last 20+ years working to make the Internet safer for everyone on a global scale. I believe the Internet has the capability to contribute to the next great leap for mankind, and I want to help make that happen!

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